Reader: Collection Agency Out of Business, But Still on Credit Reports

Posted by Gerri Detweiler | Credit Card Blog | Thursday 3 May 2012 7:00 am

What happens when a negative item on your credit reports is from a company that is no longer around? That’s what one of our readers wants to know. She asks:

A collection agency is listed on my credit report several times. I went online trying to find a way to contact them to make payments but the Better Business Bureau says they are no longer in business. Given that they are no longer around, is there a way to get the credit bureaus to remove the information from my credit reports?

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You’re likely in luck here, at least as far as your credit reports go. Under the Fair Credit Reporting Act, you have the right to dispute an item on your credit report(s) if you believe it is inaccurate or incomplete. The credit reporting agencies (CRAs) generally have thirty days to investigate your dispute and either confirm the information with the source, or remove it from your reports. While the law doesn’t specifically state that you can dispute an account because the company furnishing the information is defunct, the fact that you can’t pay these accounts and get the balances updated to zero seems like a reasonable reason for challenging them. Since the company is out of business, it’s not going to respond to a request for reinvestigation from a CRA, and the collection accounts will likely end up being removed from your reports.

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I’d recommend you:

  1. Make sure you have fairly recent copies of your credit reports from all three major credit reporting agencies: Equifax, Experian and TransUnion.
  2. Dispute these accounts in writing with each of the CRAs that are reporting them. I’d suggest you do it in writing rather than online because you’ll have better records of your disputes. Send your dispute letters by certified mail.

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Chances are the CRAs will respond by telling you the information has been removed. If not, then you’ll have to challenge the findings of their “investigation,” but I really doubt it will come to that. Keep copies of your credit reports, and all the correspondence involved, indefinitely.

Also keep in mind this debt may be bought by another collection agency, so it may not be the last time you hear about it. By law, collection accounts may only be reported for seven and a half years from the date you first fell behind with the original creditor. That’s true, regardless of whether you pay them or not.

If you do hear from a new collection agency about this debt, you’ll find our infographic, What to Do if A Debt Collector Calls, handy.

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“Fake” Debt Collection Court Lawyer Silent In Real Trial

Posted by Christopher Maag | Credit Card Blog | Monday 9 May 2011 1:06 pm

The company that used a fake courtroom to threaten a widow with jail and to steal her son’s car found itself in a real courtroom last week with little to say. Appearing in Erie County Court, an attorney for the collections company Unicredit America offered no defense for the strong-arm tactics it allegedly deployed.

As we reported in March, Unicredit had begun its collection efforts on Erie resident Marilyn Johnson after she was unable to pay the entire cost of her husband’s funeral, leaving her with a bill of $2,142.

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Unicredit invited her to an office building converted into a fake courtroom, complete with law books on shelves and a company employee dressed in a judge’s robe and sitting on a raised bench.

“(I)t looked nicer than some of our real district courtrooms,” Andrea Amicangelo, Johnson’s lawyer, told Credit.com.

Unicredit threatened to throw Johnson in jail during the fake hearing. To keep his mom from going to jail, Johnson’s son, Howard D. Johnson, agreed to pay the company more than $2,000 and sign over the title to his 2002 Chevrolet Cavalier.

Last week in a real courtroom, Unicredit’s attorney, Lawrence D’Ambrosio, declined to explain or defend Unicredit’s actions to Erie County Judge Michael E. Dunlavey, according to the Erie Times-News. Instead, the company dropped its claim against Johnson.

Unicredit still faces a lawsuit by Pennsylvania Attorney General Tom Corbett over its alleged courtroom ruse.

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With Debt, Fear is Your Worst Enemy

Posted by Steve Rhode | Credit Card Blog | Wednesday 4 May 2011 1:39 pm

Phone_Matt_Reinbold_CCFlickrFear is the worst enemy of the debtor.

Fear allows us to accept false solutions and incorrect thoughts into our consciousness when we are dealing with debt.

Fear is not reality.

Overwhelmingly, a pattern emerges for people facing financial troubles in which they eventually become afraid and paralyzed by their situation. They either leap at any solution or do nothing. They fall for fake promises of help or take action that leaves them only further in debt, without money, and still facing the same debt monster.

I wanted to share with you a different point of view on the whole debt experience, one I wish I had fully realized when I was facing my debt demons years ago. Well, on some level I did.

When you fall behind on your bills and don’t think you’ll be able to meet your obligations it is only natural to be concerned and worried, that is unless you are a sociopath like Dexter on that television show who murders people without remorse.

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But the emotional whipping we give ourselves distorts reality and we do much more damage to ourselves than we have to; needlessly and senselessly.

Let’s just take one part of the debtor experience: the debt collection call.

Many fear the debt collection call. They feel they are being judged or viewed with moral disdain for not meeting their obligation on a timely basis. Or at least that’s what the voice in the head says.

The reality is that if you could pay your bill, you would. If it was within your ability to make your payment by the due date you would have made the payment. But sometimes shit just happens.

It doesn’t matter if the reason for your inability to make ends meet is that your home was just wiped off the map by a terrible tornado, or the business you worked for was destroyed by fire. The reason could be as simple as you lost your job or slipped and fell and are now laid up with an injury. Whatever the reason, the outcome is the same: you simply can’t make ends meet. It is what it is—and that’s all that it is.

Debtor Shame

Are victims of a hurricane, tornado, or other natural disaster left in a shameful position? Should they feel guilt or moral embarrassment because they can’t make the next payment, or maybe the one after that?

Let’s put all of this mess into perspective.

Nobody wants to be beholden to another and not be able to meet that obligation. It’s not something most strive for. Sure we can point to scammers, crooks, and flim-flam ne’er-do-wells. But if you are reading this, that’s not you.

Debtor shame makes people do stupid and ridiculous things and have stupid and ridiculous thoughts. From the low end of the spectrum, it makes people agree to payments they just can’t meet; to the high end of the spectrum, they take their own lives in suicide or murder their family in shame.

And that entire spectrum of silly and senseless things is born out of just one issue: we fear the debt instead of embracing it.

Embrace the Debt. Are You Insane?

The actual best move to make when you start to feel the fear of debt creeping into more and more of your waking thoughts is to stop fearing it. The fear harms you more than helps you. It does not change your situation nor does it give you the opportunity to make it better.

The best thing you can do in times like these is to embrace and own the situation, not run from it. If you are in debt and can’t pay the bill, accept it. Live in the moment when you can’t make the next payment but do it from a position of reality, rather than fear.

There is a large volume of travel between being afraid of the phone ringing and the words a strange voice on the end of the line is going to say that will judge you, to welcoming the call and the debt collector.

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You can react in fear or you can live in joy. The choice is absolutely yours. Which do you want to live in? The choice is entirely yours. It is your choice so what do you chose?

As silly as this may sound, being in debt and having the debt collector call is not the worst thing that can happen to you. Don’t get me wrong, it’s unfortunate, but it’s not the worst thing.

On the scale of horrible things I’d much rather get a collection call than be on fire or get jabbed in the eye with a sharp stick.

We allow ourselves to be panicked by the collection call simply out of a poor sense of prioritizing the reality of the event. On the scale of having our neighborhood hit by a tsunami or getting a collection call, the collection call is less than a nothing.

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Beware of Fake Payday Loan Debt Collection Scam

Posted by Gerri_Detweiler | Credit Card Blog | Wednesday 8 September 2010 1:38 pm

Snapshot 2010-09-08 13-06-51 For a year now, we've been getting complaints in the Credit.com forums about fake payday loan debt collectors. So I wasn't surprised when I read the announcement this week by Illinois Attorney General Lisa Madigan warning Illinois residents to “be on the alert for scam artists posing as collectors of payday loan debt. The scammers call consumers and threaten them with legal action unless the victims authorize payments from their bank accounts.” Her office has received numerous complaints.

These are not your normal debt collection calls. In many cases, these collectors are very aggressive. Here are some of the threats reported on our forums:

“…we would have to appear in court at 11:00am tomorrow morning, we would be charged with internet fraud, would be put in jail, could be sentenced to 4 months in prison, etc.”

“…said that if I didn't pay $1,095.87, the police was going to come to my house and arrest me and take me to jail.”

“…wont give me company name and he tried to cuss me out…”

 Just to be clear, these are not collectors trying to collect legitimate debts. Most of the complaints on our forums, and to the IL AG involve consumers who either never took out a payday loan, or who may have initiated one but never actually secured the loan. In some cases, the "collector" has detailed information about the victim – such as name, address and Social Security number – which makes the debt appear to be real.

Here's what to do if you get a call like this:

  • Ask the collector for  the name and address of the collection agency for which he or she works. Then ask him to send you written information about the debt.  Any legitimate debt collection agency will do this because it's required under the federal Fair Debt Collection Practices Act.
  • If the caller won't give you this information, hang up. If a phone number is available through caller ID, report the call on our forums and to your state attorney general and the FTC.
  • Don't let one of these companies scare you into making payments if you're not sure you owe the debt. In most cases, collectors must first take you to court and get a judgment before they can go after your wages or property. (If you live in Minnesota, though, read this warning.)

By the way, you can't be arrested simply because you can't afford to pay a debt. (Warning, though, there are cases where consumers are jailed in connection with debts because they failed to appear in court after a summons was issued.)

The Illinois Attorney General’s office says the bogus debt collectors they’ve heard about use a variety of names, including: Morgan & Associates, Federal Bureau of Investigators, DNR Recovery, DNI Recovery, Legal Accounts Association, Department of Law and Enforcement, CashNet USA, America Legal Services, Quick Cash, and ACS. If you hear from any of those companies, be sure to report them immediately to your state Attorney General’s office and the Federal Trade Commission.

And share your experience with us on the Credit.com forums

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Gerri Detweiler – Personal finance author and Credit Advisor for Credit.com, Gerri contributes budgeting, debt recovery and savings information online. She is also the co-author of a new ebook, Business Credit Success: Get on the Financing Fast Track.

Targeting Debt Collectors’ Bad Behavior

Posted by credit.com | Credit Card Blog | Monday 12 July 2010 4:26 pm

IStock_000000994557XSmall New York State is waging a campaign against rogue debt collectors, and New York Attorney General Andrew Cuomo is currently suing 35 law firms and two debt collectors, trying to overturn 100,000 judgments in which the companies allegedly broke the law. The firms and collectors all hired American Legal Process (ALP), a Long Island-based company that failed to serve thousands of consumers with legal papers, Cuomo alleges. Many victims discovered they were being sued only when they found their wages garnished or their accounts frozen.

Several independent groups confirmed what elected officials have already found: abusive attempts to get paid, followed by slapdash and unsubstantiated lawsuits. Lawyers for municipal employees in New York City noticed a trend: When they demanded discovery for proof that a debt was actually owed, the collections company often dropped the legal case.

Suspicious, the attorneys investigated. They found that in 238 cases in which they requested discovery, collections agencies failed to substantiate their claim 94.5 percent of the time.

Even in the rare cases when a bill collector responded to requests for information, “rather than showing that the debt was owed, its own documentation often proved the opposite,” the report found. “The cases in the study bear a common thread: in many instances debt buyers sued consumers when they clearly had no legitimate claims. Debt buyers sued in cases of identity theft and mistaken identity, when their records did not reflect payments by the defendant, and when the debt was beyond the statute of limitations.”

Such sloppy legal work is made possible because so many consumers never try to fight back. Debt collectors won 94.3 percent of the 457,322 lawsuits they filed in New York City between January 2006 and July 2008, according to a study led by the Legal Aid Society and published in May 2010. Most were default judgments, meaning the consumers never appeared in court to defend themselves. Only 10 percent of the people sued actually answered the summons, the society found; only 1 percent hired a lawyer.

“Debt buyers routinely file frivolous lawsuits against low-income New Yorkers even though they have no evidence to prove the debts are owed,” according to the report. “The abusive practices described in this report have flourished because of the gross imbalance of power between represented debt buyers and unrepresented New Yorkers.”

There’s a tremendous amount of money at stake. The top 26 debt collection companies in New York City took more than $1 billion in court-ordered judgments from city residents during the two-and-a-half-year study. As judges and elected officials begin to crack down on collections agencies using existing laws, many experts say that new legislation is needed to reign in the collections industry and protect consumers’ rights.

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